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silver bullet
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Quote from xaotik :On the age subject:
I think it's ironic that certain countries allow their citizens to go to war at age 18 but don't allow them to have an alcoholic drink until age 21 (combat situations are safer than drinking a beer in a bar, it seems - and bullets are not as bad as alcohol to your health at such a young age). There is no magic "maturity" switch that gets flipped at any age. We all know people (perhaps ourselves for some?) who are surprisingly "immature for their age" and vice versa (ever got hit by a "logic bomb" from a 6 year old?).

Thank you, my point exactly. It is amazing how much a person grows between 18 and 21 years. Try recruiting 21 year olds into the army, and see how many are going to sign up. Very good point indeed.
silver bullet
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When you see a man driving an H2 you know he's compensating for something.

When you see a woman driving an H2 get the hell off the road before she runs you off the road (women shouldn't be allowed driving cars more than half a tonn)
silver bullet
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*drools*
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Let me put it this way. If a company gets into financial trouble they will start laying people off because if they wait too long the company will end up going down the drain. Basically, companies do not hire a bunch of people with the intention of firing them. It's always somebody's screwup, or market conditions changed, or the new drug failed FDA regulations, etc, etc.

The place where I work at right now all of the temporary workers got laid off two months ago. They told me that I have a month to work. Eventually they kept all of the engineers once they figured out that they need engineers to run the place. However, I understand that I might have my job today, and not have it tomorrow. I'm always on my toes, always on the lookout. That's capitalism, it's the nature of the beast. It may not be a perfect system, but it is IMHO the best system.

And you see, xaotik, that guy with a PhD didn't end up on the street with a cup asking for change. He went out and got another job. I mean it was absolutely a huge inconvenience for him, but that's free market for you.
silver bullet
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Leifde, you know much more about motorsports at age 15 than I do at 22 so correct me if I am wrong here. The risk of getting killed/maimed in a kart accident is a little bit lower than the risk of getting killed in a drag race accident flying down the motorway at 250+Mph. I'm not saying at all that people under 18 should not be allowed to race, but the parents must exercise common sense too. Kart racing is fine, hell its probably less risky than many other sports. But drag racing a freaking 1000hp+ monster?
silver bullet
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xaotik, I don't know how to respond to your post except with the cliche "It's nothing personal, it's business".

Well here goes, it's nothing personal, it's business. Businesses make money, and with that money they pay the wages. If a business stops making money it becomes non-competitive and goes bankrupt. The way to avoid going bankrupt is cutting the losses which unfortunately sometimes involves letting go of people that depend on their salary.

However, please don't fool yourself into thinking that if businesses stop firing people everything suddenly becomes better. Businesses that do not let go of people lose money and eventually shut down, and that means no work for anybody. Letting go of 1000 people is bad, but definately better than closing a 5000 people company. And you can be sure that the last thing that proverbial "business suit" wanted to do was to fire a whole bunch of people. Lay offs are very bad rep, bad for morale, etc. Big companies avoid lay offs like black plague, but sometimes things go out of their control.

The only way to secure your job is education. More and more education, as much as you can pack. High school degree guarantees you a job at McDonalds, a 2-year professional degree guarantees you a job at a mechanics shop. A college degree will always get you a decent gig with good money depending on your degree (I don't mean bullshit degrees like psychology or education). Masters, PhD is more and better jobs. Basically stay in school, because with more education you become more marketable and you don't have to give a crap about the next company lay off since you will always be able to find another job.
silver bullet
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xaotik, I can see your point better now and let me correct myself. I do not judge people based on their bank account and I do not think that CEO's are better people than you and me. They are however much better than us in Business Management, and I doubt anybody could argue that. CEO's are great leaders and managers, and that's how they make the big bucks. That does however imply that they are "better people" or anything like that. I didn't mean it in that way when I typed up that post.

For the record, I work for a relatively small company (less than 40 people) as an engineer and the contract that we are on right now is with a very large pharmaceutical company. I did not explain all this earlier to avoid complicating things. However, I do not see anything wrong with working for a corporation.
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Quote from spookthehamster :Some of these kids have been racing since before they were in double-figures, it's not like they aren't experienced.

I'm sure some of those kids can compete on the world-class level, but that's not my point. No matter how good they are, (majority of) teenagers cannot judge risk on the same level as adults can. I cannot stress that enough. It's not about how good they are, it's about the fact that racing is a high risk sport that requires complete understanding of all the dangers involved which cannot be expected from a child, and at 14 years of age in the eyes of the law you are a child.

There are 13 year olds that play golf on Masters level and I have absolutely no problems with that. Why? I have no problems with 13 year olds playing golf because their chance of dying in a fiery crash is much lower while playing golf, than while racing a car in excess of 200 miles per hour.
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Quote from xaotik :
In my country the living standard is much lower than in the USA. If you want in numbers - I choose to make for myself approximately $15000 (US) per year and I don't actually spend that either. With that I am very comfortable, I have no need for more and I can do all the things I want, I have no children to support, etc - infact alot of my "goods" aren't even bought for directly. To be honest, in material terms, I value eating a homegrown chicken from my family's farm (it's 2 acres - not a huge estate) and drinking wine from our vinyard (in the same farm, yes) far more than owning an SUV.

Yep, exactly as I thought.

Maybe you have a chip on your shoulder. Why are you trying so hard to prove to me that poor people are as good as rich people? I never even said anything remotedly close to that. I was just arguing with some guy about EA for gods sakes!

Dude you are poor, that's cool, I don't care. I don't judge people on the size of their wallet, I have a friend who makes millions, and I have (way too many) friends who haven't worked in years. Just relax, alright? I am not the person you should prove yourself to, and this is not the place to do it.
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Quote from Xaid0n :The one thing I would say to my mum though is "Back me up, or back off" she can either be with me or she can just leave me to do something i love, but no I would not do anything out the ordinary at this age, but when im 16/17 maybe i will.

I am not sure how far this attitude is going to take you, considering that you are living in her house and eating her food.
silver bullet
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xaotik, something tells me that you are struggling financially. You have a certain disdain for wealth that often indicates financial incompetence.


If you do not with to continue this discussion, or you don't like my tone, you are very welcome to ignore my posts. If you go back to the first page of this thread, your first post was a feeble attempt to educate me by referring me to a video game web site for a history lesson. Let me say this again, if you disagree with me, feel free to ignore me, Ok? And you choose not to ignore me, then I find it silly to complain about the nature of my posts.
silver bullet
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I voted yes, however developing new cars/trucks would take time away from working on physics model, etc. Maybe devs should concentrate on improving vehicles that we already have + new tracks + (most important) physics model?
silver bullet
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Quote from xaotik :Aha - so that's the type of books your got your history and ideas from - that clears it up quite a bit, thanks.

Live long and prosper and when "reality" as you say does finally hit home, don't forget to listen to a motivational tape or something with a title like "YES! You can still make it big!"... Mr Stein might even have some for you - he's got a tonne of books just like that.

I think we've just crossed the boundary and we're heading in for a full-blown political discussion.

EDIT:
By the way, you'll be delighted to read through the material of this site:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz like it as well as you can see from the "signatures". A real eye-opener...

Again you are trying very hard to sound smart, and again you have no idea about what you are talking about.

I take it you didn't read the book that I mentioned, but maybe you should. Don't worry about me, I read all sorts of books and that's how I make my judgements. Bottom line, before you start making conclusions, READ THE GODDAMN BOOK, because it makes it very difficult for me to value your opinion about a book that YOU HAVEN'T EVEN READ.
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Quote from MAGGOT :Obviously if she was piloting a jet car than she has proven herself already. It wasn't just a stright jump from some stupid 17year-old to racing a jet car ya know. Besides, I was down in Florida a couple years back and watched some saturday night stocker racing at the New Smyrna Speedway. In one race, there was a 14 year-old kid; who came second. He lead the entire race until he was passed by his father a few laps from the end of the race.

He was 3 years younger than this girl; are his parents idiots? Should they go to jail?

I'm sorry, but your comment is an extremely ignorant one, imho.

And aside from that, everyone involved in any form of sport knows the risks involved. It's part of the game; accept it or don't play it.

To answer your question, yes the father of that 14 year-old kid is an idiot. And he is a perfect example why some people should not be having kids. 14 to 17 year old kids do not KNOW the risks involved because they are INVINSIBLE. They don't understand that at any second their existance may come to a screeching halt. That's why people under 18 should be supervised by their parents.

Using your logic I can argue that older men can have sex with 14 year old girls if they have consent. I mean 14 year olds understand all the "risks involved", of course it's all a "part of the game". Right? WRONG!!! 14 year olds don't know what the hell they are doing, and others can take advantage of them. That is why most countries have AGE OF CONSENT.

Dude there is a reason why there are minimum age laws in place, ok? Teenagers have a limited capability when it comes to assessing risks, that's why they get into more accidents, drink/drive, jump off buildings and generally "don't care". A responsible parent has to step in and help the situation, not let his son drive a freaking jet car.

Get a grip people
silver bullet
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Quote from Racer Y :LOL I know more about that than I care to so please, enough with the Holier than thou Sally Struthers stuff - OK?

Man, what ever happened to a sense a humor...

A STONE QUARRY??? LOL more like a plantation or a militia or something...

Stone quarry... LOL Flintstones Meet the Flintstones.....

You have no clue, and you are not making it better by being a tool. I'll post some facts here when I get home, I don't have the info with me right now. What I said above was the truth, they have children digging for stones in third world countries. I'll get my facts straight when I get home tonight, so hold your bashing until then.

Meanwhile read this book:
Can America Survive? The Rage of the Left, the Truth, and What to Do About It by Ben Stein, and Phil DeMuth.
silver bullet
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Every 17 year old think he/she is invincible. It is really amazing how much a person grows up between the ages of 17 and 21. Your perception of danger changes completely. It's a given that 90% of 17 year olds have rocks for brains, and should not be allowed behind the wheel of a 250MPH car. Her parents are idiots and should go to jail.

The difference between 17 years, 18 years, and 21 years is cruicial. Some of the things I did at 17 still give me cold sweats, and I know that I would never ever repeat them now.


RIP
silver bullet
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Quote from Eldanor :I think this thread is suffering something like the "pre-patch syndrome" XD

fanboiz
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Quote from Racer Y :
Now, you call one a them little foriegn kids up and well hell, eveythings on the line for that guy. He screws up once and he's back to REEBOK and the next ex factory worker 9 yr old has his spot. So yeah they give out better support (plus you get to make AN OVERSEAS CALL!!!) and service.
They have more incentive than your run of the mill 20 something reject type.
What's really cool is these kids ain't never even seen a computer - much less used one. They have every possible solution to every possible problem
drilled into their heads.

In those countries people would kill for a job with an American company. You are very naive because you have no idea the life is like across the pond. Working at a Reebok "sweatshop" is much healthier for a child than working in a stone quarry or selling their body for cash.
silver bullet
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I think i've lost my point somewhere on the first page. I do get an allergic reaction when people start bashing "bad corporations" for all the evils in the world. I am going to retire from this argument now.
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Quote from TagForce :
You managed to kill off the 'lust' with that post, though...

You are one sick mother....
silver bullet
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Wow, Im getting gangbanged over here! Ouch.

Yes I played EA products on very many occasions at my friends', and I have to say that I liked them very much. I did not buy a single EA game for many different reasons, but I do have hours of first-hand experience with several EA titles.

frokki I see your point more clearly now and I agree with you mostly, but I still maintain my earlier argument that LFS devs would love to make a bunch of money if they had an opportunity to sell the game.

And again, EA has every right to screw you over when you buy their product because you accept their terms and conditions. And you as a consumer have every right to screw over EA by not buying their product. And that's my bottom line.
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Quote from bbman :But point being is not what EA offers it's employees, it's how EA treats it's customers...

There is this nasty thing called "reality" and sometimes you have to deal with it. The reality says that people need jobs. Big corporations provide careers for people so they can feed their families.

Of course it does not matter to you, because all that matters to you is Your Own Enjoyment. Again, I never bought an EA game in my life, I just have to deal with reality on a daily basis.
silver bullet
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xaotic you'd be surpised how many CEOs have interests besides making money. Amazingly enough, most of them are people like you and me, but they have the gift or talent in business management, much like athletes do in sports.

TagForce, don't get me wrong man, I agree with you that monopoly means no choice. There is a reason why I play LFS, it has the small game, small community appeal that I would not get anywhere else. However it's stupid to be mad at EA for the little tricks they use to make people buy games every year. Their purpose is to sell games, they have thousands of employees to feed, investors to pay off, etc. I'm just saying, it's silly to be "mad" at corporations making money, it's like being mad at a dog for barking, that's what they do!

One important point though, don't doubt for a minute that LFS developers would sell the game in a heartbeat if the price was right.
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xaotik go to the Microsoft's website, and find how much money they donated to charity last year. You will be amazed.

Personally, not every job in small business that I had was bad, and I know of jobs with big business that are not good at all. Big corporations make mistakes, as do small businesses. Are big corporations evil? No, I don't think so.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver : So if big companys make lots of money...fine, just aslong as the people running companies like these can live with the guilt of giving them selfs multi-million dollar bonuses for sitting on their arse and delegating responsibility.

Let me find a polite way to put it.... The CEO's in big corporations are better than you. They work harder than you (and me) at what they do. They are smarter than you and me, and thay make more money than you and me. It's as simple as that. Think of CEO's as football stars, except they have amazing business skills instead of amazing football skills. Do you think that Chelsea players are waaay overpaid? Maybe.. Can they play the game better than anybody else in the world? Yes.

You don't become a CEO for sitting on your arse. You become a CEO with hard work, dedication, luck, sweat, but not by sitting on your arse. And CEO's get paid accordingly, because they are better than you and me at what they do.
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Quote from Bladerunner :Alexander Fleming didn't do that bad a job in HIS basement!

If you really knew what you were talking about, you would realize how stupid your statement is. Fleming never investigated the potential properties of the bacteria as a drug. Fleming wrote a paper about Penicilin and never looked at it again for almost ten years. Eventually other scientists and engineers started looking into the potential to use the bacteria as a drug. And trust me they did not produce the drug in their basement.


EDIT For the record, Fleming was a prominent researcher, he did not discover anything in his basement.
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